godis4sale (December 31, 1969 at 6:59 pm)

I know exactly what you mean. I loved Dillinger when I was in high school, I think they sort of fell from grace when they got their new singer. Dillinger didn't really mature well in their later albums like Botch and Converge. Dillinger is way too commercial now and their older style is easily imitated by newer bands, whereas Botch and Converge wannabes are only able to mimic certain aspects. It's very telling of Converge and Botch that indie snobs who don't like hardcore listen to them.

debo4200 (December 31, 1969 at 6:59 pm)

I saw Botch open for Neurosis, then saw them open for Dillenger about 2 months later, then they broke up :( I don't really listen to Dillenger anymore, but I'll listen to Botch (and Converge) until I die.

slimbradley (December 31, 1969 at 6:59 pm)

these songs are swimming the channel vs driving the chunnel and saint mathew returns to the womb

kevinm4435 (December 31, 1969 at 6:59 pm)

john coltrane miles davis botch

mohercore (December 31, 1969 at 6:59 pm)

i fucking love you too.

Jorf420 (December 31, 1969 at 6:59 pm)

thank god someone with good taste on the internet, I fucking love you stranger.

AbasketOfOpinions (December 31, 1969 at 6:59 pm)

under my preference,I 110% prefer Dillinger over Converge.however, Converge is really boss.botch owns nonetheless.

Thrashenstein (December 31, 1969 at 6:59 pm)

brutality caught on tape

motorhead412 (December 31, 1969 at 6:59 pm)

what loop pedal does Dave use? i know that in MTB he's using a bunch of DL-4's. same for Botch?

mohercore (December 31, 1969 at 6:59 pm)

dillinger, botch, converge, meshuggah. i love em all.